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    Regarding the old client still functioning

    Hi, many people are successfully using the old adobe air client to play this game despite being told it would no longer work. This brings up a few things which don't seem to be being considered by the developers.

    1) If the old client only needs a version number change to work with the current servers despite there being a couple of updates, why is it not being supported alongside unity so players can choose which client to use? It doesn't look like the old client needs any development time considering new features that would break it would also be daft as new additions to unity while that client is unusable. New buildings/generals/specialists along with their graphics seem to work on the old client without having to be programmed into the client itself since they are just copy+pastes of stuff already in the game with some numbers adjusted.

    2) The old client is useful for testing which problems with the unity client are due to the unity client itself or the servers. An example would be the area buffs which were recently broken in the Halloween update. These actually functioned perfectly fine in the adobe air client so it was an error in the unity client which was stopping them working, but a server side fix was done which ended up breaking their use in both clients.

    3) Given the adobe air client still functions normally, why are any server hotfixes being done to support the unity client? Surely all the current problems are down to the unity client itself and the servers should not be touched. The zone refreshes work fine in the adobe air client, but the unity client is unable to deal with them currently. Trying to fix the zone refresh issue on the servers would be the wrong way to go if you could test using the old client and see them working normally there.


    I understand BB wants to move away from flash and towards unity, but forcing all players onto a broken unplayable client and lying about the previous client being usable seems like a bad move. The community managers have been unable to offer any useful information about what is actually happening or the reasoning for why things are being done this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katty View Post
    Hi, many people are successfully using the old adobe air client to play this game despite being told it would no longer work. This brings up a few things which don't seem to be being considered by the developers.

    1) If the old client only needs a version number change to work with the current servers despite there being a couple of updates, why is it not being supported alongside unity so players can choose which client to use? It doesn't look like the old client needs any development time considering new features that would break it would also be daft as new additions to unity while that client is unusable. New buildings/generals/specialists along with their graphics seem to work on the old client without having to be programmed into the client itself since they are just copy+pastes of stuff already in the game with some numbers adjusted.

    2) The old client is useful for testing which problems with the unity client are due to the unity client itself or the servers. An example would be the area buffs which were recently broken in the Halloween update. These actually functioned perfectly fine in the adobe air client so it was an error in the unity client which was stopping them working, but a server side fix was done which ended up breaking their use in both clients.

    3) Given the adobe air client still functions normally, why are any server hotfixes being done to support the unity client? Surely all the current problems are down to the unity client itself and the servers should not be touched. The zone refreshes work fine in the adobe air client, but the unity client is unable to deal with them currently. Trying to fix the zone refresh issue on the servers would be the wrong way to go if you could test using the old client and see them working normally there.


    I understand BB wants to move away from flash and towards unity, but forcing all players onto a broken unplayable client and lying about the previous client being usable seems like a bad move. The community managers have been unable to offer any useful information about what is actually happening or the reasoning for why things are being done this way.
    the old client isn't supported by BB - the fact that it is working is due to a third party not BB. It is use at your own risk because that third party can be putting who knows what scripts in there.

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    Instructions have been provided for comparing the changes between the official and unofficial clients, so go away with the fear mongering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katty View Post
    Instructions have been provided for comparing the changes between the official and unofficial clients, so go away with the fear mongering.
    really where - you mean yours? I see no purpose to comparing the old client version which is not supported and can result in a ban with unity which is what BB is fixing. There is no meaning to comparing these two clients. All that matters is something isn't working in unity.

    These actually functioned perfectly fine in the adobe air client so it was an error in the unity client which was stopping them working, but a server side fix was done which ended up breaking their use in both clients.
    bb is only touching unity - if the old client changed it was because the third party maintaining the old client, picked up fixes done on unity and transferred them over.

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    Hello!

    I decided to keep the first posts and delete everything else because it had gone too far.

    Let's make it clear again, as I said before in the forum: using the client is against our rules and you run the risk of being permanently banned for using it. If you decide to use it, you do so at your own risk.

    We do not control third-party websites and their content, so if you want official information please visit our forum, website, social channels, in-game chat, or simply reach me directly.

    We are constantly working on the game and in the background to get the game back on track as quickly as possible.
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    I am a EU player, I presume you are a US player?

    The information provided to you seems to be different, BB_Trafffer (community manager for all English versions regardless of region?) has mentioned server upgrades several times to EU players and the corresponding upgrades fixed nothing and instead introduced more bugs that were not occurring before the server upgrades (zone crashes lasting days, buffs not being applied, timers being messed up, pfb being lost when stacked).

    There has been no mention on the EU forums of players potentially getting permanent bans from using the client, but we have been told that the client is in no way supported by Bluebyte and we are on our own using it. If they did ban all EU players who are using the modified client then they would be banning most of the leftover EU player base at this point.

    The player who provided information about using the old client also provided information on how to make sure the modified client is safe to use:

    Information on EU forums on how to compare clients.

    This involves downloading files from the official server to compare to so there is no way to say these files might be hiding something.

    When I checked this on the 28th October, the line in question here to make the old client work on the servers is to change

    public static const VERSION_NR:String = "9361-Release_lugia_air";

    to

    public static const VERSION_NR:String = "9501-Release_pichu";

    Thats a single line of code with a version number stored in a string.

    bb is only touching unity - if the old client changed it was because the third party maintaining the old client, picked up fixes done on unity and transferred them over.
    This line shows you have no clue what you are talking about, the modified client is virtually identical to the client that was in use before unity was launched, no new features have been added to the game since unity was released have needed any additional functionality adding to the old client other than a version number bump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katty View Post
    I am a EU player, I presume you are a US player?

    The information provided to you seems to be different, BB_Trafffer (community manager for all English versions regardless of region?) has mentioned server upgrades several times to EU players and the corresponding upgrades fixed nothing and instead introduced more bugs that were not occurring before the server upgrades (zone crashes lasting days, buffs not being applied, timers being messed up, pfb being lost when stacked).

    There has been no mention on the EU forums of players potentially getting permanent bans from using the client, but we have been told that the client is in no way supported by Bluebyte and we are on our own using it. If they did ban all EU players who are using the modified client then they would be banning most of the leftover EU player base at this point.

    The player who provided information about using the old client also provided information on how to make sure the modified client is safe to use:

    Information on EU forums on how to compare clients.

    This involves downloading files from the official server to compare to so there is no way to say these files might be hiding something.

    When I checked this on the 28th October, the line in question here to make the old client work on the servers is to change

    public static const VERSION_NR:String = "9361-Release_lugia_air";

    to

    public static const VERSION_NR:String = "9501-Release_pichu";

    Thats a single line of code with a version number stored in a string.


    This line shows you have no clue what you are talking about, the modified client is virtually identical to the client that was in use before unity was launched, no new features have been added to the game since unity was released have needed any additional functionality adding to the old client other than a version number bump.
    well I explained to you the situation, if you don't want to believe it up to you. BB isn't touching the old client, it wouldn't work at all right now if not for a third party updating it regularly to pick up the event changes and whatnot.

    there is no point in comparing versions - just because some person other than BB providing instructions doesn't mean it is acceptable to use.

    what you are referring to as server upgrades are software upgrades to the game itself not to the servers.

    In any case, go ahead believe they are involved in some sort of conspiracy and lying to you so you go and break the ToS and use the old client - it doesn't make it true though.

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